Darling, who wants to leave!
It never ceases to amaze me. Italy are about to open a prison for…wait for it…transgender prisoners. Geez, how many are there? Oooh and not only that but guards will be required to attend special training sessions to learn how to treat them. Evidently it is a friggin nightmare for both male and female transsexuals when thrown into a mainstream prison. It usually ends in tears and a good deal of time hiding in their cells. Around 30 transgenders will be sent to the new facility outside Florence where they can frolic around the sports field and library or spend the day producing oil and wine. The majority of transgender prisoners are behind bars for prostitution or drug related offences. Imagine how impressive their bathrooms will be?
Psst A curious loon wants to know how they mark the toilets, would it still be male and female?
Here we go again pandering to the friggin minorities. If they are women who want to be men please act like men, not overbearing butches in singlets and 2 blade haircuts. If they are men who want to be women act like real women and notlike stupid effeminate males. I get sick of these effeminates who sound as friggin stupid as they look. Personally I don’t care if they can arrange flowers or cut hair because guess what, so can I and I don’t consider that a special talent. Being a hairdresser helps but it’s not that hard. No biggie I can assure you. I can name lots of genetics disorders that would be a whole lot more debilitating that being a transgender. Downs Syndrome, Cerebal Palsy, being born spastic, blind, born with no hand or feet or deaf just to name a few. They usually require carers most of their lives. Transgenders seem to be able to have relationships, hold down jobs and come and go as they please. Many of the other debilitating genetic disorder sufferers don’t have that luxury. Please don’t give me ‘the debilitating mental anguish’ that goes with it as I’m sure the others suffer in many ways too.
Time to get rid of all the theatrics and command respect . It has to be earned by you . It’s not your right. Also if they were doing the right thing they wouldn’t be in jail now would they? Special jails, who are they kidding?
mama mia!!!! watsa mama gonna say when Luigi gets caught?!?
the toilets can be named ‘butches’ and ‘bitches’ hehe they can choose for themselves
It’s gonna get pretty ugly when there is a riot blahahahaa “Who stole my friggin mascara biatch!”
Better still open that new jail, lock them all up and never let them out. Another problem solved.
“A curious loon wants to know how they mark the toilets, would it still be male and female?”
Got a solution to your problem, loon – give them a bucket in the corner of their cell
Just a thought !
Blahahaahaa Duncan, where would they sit
Celtic Queen: Perhaps this may tell you why:
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Inquiry into a death, Coroner J Abernethy, Wednesday 21 July 1999. Ref: W308 201/99 JI-D1.
December 1997. After an appearance in a Local Court, bail was refused and Ms M. was remanded in custody. Late on 22 December she was transported to a remand and reception centre where that night and into the morning of December 23 she underwent induction assessment. She was identified as transgender by the welfare officer and it was determined she should go into a “protection” wing. Having spent December 24 in court Ms M. spent December 25 and 26 in “strict protection”. During this time she was brutally raped at least twice during daylight hours. The attacks were so vicious that two other prisoners took the unusual step of reporting the incidents and giving sworn evidence. On December 27 Ms M. was found dead in her cell hanging by a shoelace.
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Trans women don’t always get to trial before being repeatedly and violently gang-raped.
Or there’s this case – sex slavery
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New York Law School Professor Arthur S. Leonard
According to Judge Richman’s opinion, Giraldo self-identifies as a “male-to-female transgender person.” When she was taken into custody at North Kern State Prison, she was evaluated for placement for the duration of her sentence. She was classified as a Level III inmate with 36 points, which gave her a “primary placement recommendation” to be placed at California Medical Facility or California Men’s Colony, institutions with experience in handling transsexual inmates, where they “are relatively safer… than at other state prisons.” Despite this recommendation, she was sent to Folsom and put into general male population.
“Within a week of her assignment to FSP, an inmate employed as a lieutenant’s clerk requested that plaintiff be assigned as his cellmate,” wrote Richman,” which request was granted. Beginning almost immediately, and lasting through late January, the cellmate ‘sexually harassed, assaulted, raped and threatened’ plaintiff on a daily basis.” Then this first cellmate introduced plaintiff to “his friend, another inmate, who in late January requested that plaintiff be transferred to his cell, which request was also granted.” Just weeks later, this second inmate “began raping and beating her, again daily.” Although Giraldo reported this abuse to prison officials and begged to be transferred to a different cell, her requests were ignored for several weeks.
Finally, after suffering a rape and attack with a box-cutter by her cellmate on March 12, 2006, she was moved to “segregated housing.” This was just days after she had told a correctional counselor about the abuse to which she was being subjected, and pleaded to be moved to a different cell, pointing out that her original classification meant she was not supposed to have been assigned to Folsom. The counselor’s reaction was to tell her to be “tough and strong,” and the counselor discouraged her from taking any further action, returning her to the cell. Just two days before the final incident, she had also spoken with a medical employee, who noted the conversation in her file but took no steps to report the matter to authorities, because “I don’t want to get him into trouble.”
Giraldo was moved to a unit for psychologically troubled inmates, but lived in constant fear that she might be sent back to general population and placed with another abusive cellmate. She was released on parole after filing her lawsuit, shortly before the trial of her claims was to take place.
The state argued that there was no general duty under tort law for prison officials to protect inmates from attacks by other inmates.
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There is an alternative:
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A transgendered woman convicted of drug trafficking has been locked down in solitary confinement for the past six months in a Virginia jail because they feared she would be raped by fellow male prisoners, a jail official said.
Maria Benita Santamaria, 35, pleaded guilty to trafficking 10 pounds of methamphetamine in August. She was arrested at a Lorton Comfort Inn in June and was held without bail.
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Central Virginia Regional Jail officials labeled Santamaria as a vulnerable victim and kept her out of the general male population where, Deputy Superintendent Susan Fletcher said, they believed she risked being raped.
Despite that, “[Santamaria] has repeatedly tried to convince jail personnel that she is willing to risk being in general population,” court documents said.
That’s because Santamaria “is treated no differently than inmates on punitive lockdown,” Alterman said. Santamaria is let out of her cell for one hour a day and allowed to shower every three days. Her solitary cell has no windows and Santamaria has considered suicide, Alterman said.
“It’s a form of mental abuse,” Alterman said. “The guards refer to her as ‘it’ … it is beyond their [understanding] to treat her like a woman.”
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In fact, she was kept under these conditions for 3 months before her trial, until she agreed to a guilty plea.
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On Dec. 18 Santamaria was sentenced to nearly six years in prison. U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis ordered her sent to a federal prison that can provide transgendered treatment and counseling.
As of Wednesday, Santamaria was still in Central Virginia Regional Jail awaiting transfer, Alterman said.
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Despite the Judge’s orders, they kept her in solitary anyway afterwards. When eventually released, she was taken to a hospital, as she’s now completely unresponsive to stimuli and quite, quite insane from this treatment.
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Now… what was your point again?
Zoe, one can pick horror stories from any segment of society. That these people were in prison in no way condones the way they were treated, but the prison system is anything but fair; it’s a jungle. My advice? If they can’t run with the pack in prison, don’t be a criminal.
They seem to have the balls to do the crime but not the balls to go to jail for it. The same thing happens to inmates who aren’t transgender so my point is lead a good life, be happy with your lot, don’t do the crime because if you do bad things can happen to you. Bad things do happen to good people too you know. Jail is one place I’d never want to be, that’s why we have laws. Trafficking drugs also leads to other innocents dieing We all have ‘CHOICES’. Make sure you choose wisely.
You don’t get it – on two of the three cases, being arrested was enough.
Guilt or otherwise is irrelevant. Not having committed criminal acts is no defence.
Perhaps I should mention the case where a trans woman was arrested on suspicion of being a British Spy. Even the LAPD were embarrassed at that one.
Or the case in Memphis recently of a trans woman who was arrested and beaten up on camera, then mysteriously slain while the FBI were investigating the case.
Example of how Intersexed people are treated:
http://oiiaustralia.com/intersex-australians-sex-offenders-register/
Sometimes being the victim of an assault is enough:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/151130_comment.php
You’re clueless, sorry.
The other parties were neither arrested nor charged.There’s still an outstanding arrest warrant for this woman in Florida.
“Canadian transwoman Alexandria Tucker was arrested for assault after her lover’s ex-husband assaulted her. Montana police denied her access to a lawyer and physically assaulted her, then she was incarcerated for two years after being talked into a phony plea bargain. ”
“Dean Spade, a female to male transsexual, was arrested in early February and held for 23 hours for using the men’s room in New York City’s Grand Central Station. In the incident, police followed him into the men’s room, and then physically drug him out of Grand Central Station during the arrest.
When the case appeared in court, the judge dismissed all charges. It seems there is no New York law defining who may and may not use which restroom. ”
Trans people have been arrested, raped and sometimes killed for – using public restrooms, having a foreign passport, being assaulted, being robbed, being too near a demonstration…
All isolated incidents. But as only 1 in 30,000 people are Trans MtoF and only 1 in 100,000 Trans FtoM(according to the APA), this means the equivalent of it happening to 4-6 million people a year if extended to the general population. Mostly those on the fringe, but even respected WASP lawyers like Dean Spade are not immune.
As I said, you’re clueless. None of this is secret. It’s all in newspaper archives or otherwise on the web. It’s not even controversial that this happens. What *is* controversial is whether this is a desirable state of affairs or not.
Remember:
“The state argued that there was no general duty under tort law for prison officials to protect inmates from attacks by other inmates.”
Even those awaiting their first court appearance.
Zoe wrote “Canadian transwoman Alexandria Tucker was arrested for assault after her lover’s ex-husband assaulted her. Montana police denied her access to a lawyer and physically assaulted her, then she was incarcerated for two years after being talked into a phony plea bargain. ”
Oh God I can just imagine the scenario but having said that,. they are not the only people who suffer at the hands of he police. We have deaths in custody here too and none I can recall have been transgender.
As I said there are people who suffer a lot more indignities than transgenders. A whole lot more. Given the choice I wonder if they’d swap places? And yes I do get it.
Segregation/integration you just can’t win
No and that I suppose will be how it always will be. That’s the nature of the beast. There’s an older trannie shops in our plaza Sticks out like dogs balls God love ‘er. Such bad taste is ladies clothing. Perhaps he/she need some coaching from Elle. Come to think of it the lips were an odd colour too. A cross between a coral pink and a tangerine. I think this is one reason they attract such attention to themselves. They need the guys from A Queer Eye to help with wardrobe malfunctions.
Some of the time it’s not a wardrobe malfunction, it’s a body malfunction.
Example – before skull reconstruction
http://www.supornclinic.com/restricted/FFS/Results.aspx?fn=Case4PreOp.jpg
After skull reconstruction
http://www.supornclinic.com/restricted/FFS/Results.aspx?fn=Case4OneYear.jpg
Such surgery is often (literally) a matter of Life and Death. It can be the difference between not standing out, and being a murder statistic.
No, it’s not covered by health insurance, and yes, it is incredibly expensive (plus painful etc).
For a lot of Transsexual and Intersexed people though, it’s a necessity.47XXY females in particular usually require it, even if the rest of their body looks normal. They’re rare – most people with 47XXY chromosomes look male. In fact, 1 in 500 men are 47XXY, it’s not exactly uncommon.
As you may have guessed, I’m Intersexed. I’m fortunate that I don’t look too bad – now. That wasn’t always the case, but I have one of the conditions which normalises over time.
Just as these boys looked more female than male at birth : http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/17/gaza.gender.id/
They appearance normalises over time too – 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-3 deficiency (17beta-HSD-3) does that. As does 5alpha-reductase-2 deficiency (5alpha-RD-2) and a few other, rarer conditions like my own.
I live in Australia, so yes, I’m also on the list of “sexual deviants”. Wasn’t much of a choice for me, I would have been dead within a few months had not the androcur stabilised the metabolic chaos during the change. I’d already lost 1/3 my body mass in the previous 3 months.
There’s more of us than you think, and we get treated worse in jails than any other minority group. 68% get raped in US jails (vs an average of 5% for others). It would be higher without special facilities for TS and IS people.
It adds a certain frisson of fear every time I cross an international border though. My UK passport says “female” – in accordance with evidence from my OB/Gyn. My Birth Certificate says “boy” though, as I looked more male than female at birth. I can’t get it changed under the UK Gender Recognition Act, as I’m Intersexed rather than Transsexual.
It would only take one bigoted immigration official, and I’d be in a male holding area with the Crazies, the Drug Addicts and the Crims denied entry.
It’s happened. Not to me though. Obviously not, I’m still alive.
There are many minorities who have it worse in general. The blind and the quadraplegic for example. But when it comes to involvement with Law enforcement… no, I think we probably have it worse than pretty much anyone else. In several countries, being Intersexed is classed as being homosexual by definition, and homosexuality incurs the death penalty in such places. In others, where women are treated as slaves or cattle, Intersexed people rarely live past age 20, as they get butchered for parts to make traditional medicines.
It’s odd that when I travel for international academic conferences, I have to be careful about which routes I fly – if there’s a problem with the plane, and it gets diverted to the wrong country… because of the documentation issue, I could get taken off and jailed or worse. That’s happened too.
Despite having Australian Citizenship, it took me 20 months to get an Australian passport. I was originally only granted a travel document they give to deportees and those being extradited, that allows exit but not re-entry.
Most people are clueless about the legal complications we face. Example, from Littleton vs Littleton (USA):
“Taking this situation to its logical conclusion, Mrs. Littleton, while in San Antonio, Texas, is a male and has a void marriage; as she travels to Houston, Texas, and enters federal property, she is female and a widow; upon traveling to Kentucky she is female and a widow; but, upon entering Ohio, she is once again male and prohibited from marriage; entering Connecticut, she is again female and may marry; if her travel takes her north to Vermont, she is male and may marry a female; if instead she travels south to New Jersey, she may marry a male.”
“Evidently it is a friggin nightmare for both male and female transsexuals when thrown into a mainstream prison.”
Only for the individuals concerned – the guards and other inmates usually see it as an opportunity to have some harmless fun: and of course it gets even worse if the suspect actually live to see trial, and get convicted.
As I said, I’m lucky. I may look terribly plain, but I don’t stand out. That means I’m in no danger for being arrested for “walking while transsexual”.
viz
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RX1kCTDHtt8/S0FijXClC5I/AAAAAAAAALo/wS1TkMS0xrA/s400/Pic_04_01_2020
An expert would recognise the typical build though. CAH+46,XX or AIS-3/4 + 46,XY, or something similar.
Such as this guy with CAH and 46XX chromsomes
http://www.carolguze.com/images/Sex/CAH46,XXmale.jpg
Or this one with AIS-3 and 46XY – my original diagnosis before I had a female puberty
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Men_with_micropenis.jpg/180px-Men_with_micropenis.jpg
Yes you and Britt look amazing. You see I’d never have picked you out in a crowd and this is where I feel the problem lies.
You claim to be happy and so does she. Take the bull by the horns and have a great life now.. You both seem to have transitioned amazingly.
The stats on intersexed babies seem to be very high. I must read more on that topic and why this is. We’re not all married to our cousins as seems to be the case overseas..
The article mentioned that most of the transgender inmates came through on sex trafficking and drug charges. Ever wonder why? Because after being disowned by every living relative before the age of 18, thrown on the street, and denied employment at all the usual places, sex trafficking becomes one of the few ways to make a living.
So think about that before you feel so high and mighty for “not being a criminal.” If you’d been treated as badly as so many trans folks have been treated, you very might be a criminal too.
I now live in a town FULL of them and believe me I have to laugh at the majority. I see men that look like a cross between clowns and trannies or women that look like men and act like it. Men with make up and nail polish with absolutely no dress sense and women with tatts and dreads pierced in avery available spot. It’s becoming quite abnormal here to see and talk with someone who has no peculiarities. I live in Hepburn Springs next to Daylesford ~ Gay capital of Victoria. Not just gays here. Every damned weirdo under the sun and let me tell you I wouldn’t employ one of them. If they acted anything close to NORMAL I might think about it. You want to draw attention to yourself as a little bit different and that’s how you get treated. Try acting like the majority and you will see how much easier life can be.
Not everyone has to know that you are gay or lesbian or transgender, intersexed or any other bloody thing. Nobody cares but I find the ones who are, are so in your face with it it’s off putting. I don’t care if a guy likes guys or a woman likes women or who is rooting who, it doesn’t matter but when you flaunt it some people get offended. The ‘minority’ only would be tolerant. If you saw me on the street or got to know me you’d never know what I was doing or who I was screwing because that’s my business and I won’t make it yours. Sorry, I’m over this he/she’s been hard done by. We have choices and if you choose to live that way make the most of it. Embrace it but don’t make it everyone’s business because they don’t have to know the ins and outs of a duck’s arse. I have two gay friends and you’d never pick them by how they behave or how the dress. They held down regular jobs and lived harmoniously among straight neighbours who loved them. The world doesn’t owe you anything more than anyone else. Nobody can ask more than that you be a decent human being and respect others. I think I’d be trying extra hard to do the right thing if I knew what awaited me behind bars.