I Don’t Like Mondays

And the lesson today is how to....

And the lesson today is how to....

OK, warning to all students thinking of swearing at your teacher, don’t. Jack Waterhouse 14 is in hospital with serious head injures after his teacher Peter Harvey allegedly snapped and attacked him with a weight from a scale. The incident happened in a science class at All Saints’ Roman Catholic School in Mansfield, England. It is believed the science teacher went ballistic after the student swore at him, leaving Jack lying in a pool of blood. Needless to say the school is swamped with councilors offering support to the traumatized class.

Psst Gathering from people and students who knew Mr Harvey he was a well respected teacher who was having some stress related issues.

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38 responses to “I Don’t Like Mondays

  1. anon

    from facebook: Apparently innocent defenceless little Jack had been swearing, goading and wishing Mr Harvey to “f*** off” and have another stroke.”

    • Thanks Anon, I think a teacher who was so well admired by both teachers and students must have been pushed to the limits to have acted in this manner. Though I don’t condone his behavior I remember when I was at high school, it was like a sport to make a teacher lose his/her temper (especially the science teachers). When a kid spots a weakness they can be relentless. One of our science teachers resigned after the students found his hot spot and continued to press it (he too had a meltdown in class). Sadly the school has lost a fantastic teacher and a parent has their child in hospital.

  2. Anon2

    I hope the lad makes a full recovery . However both the teacher and pupil will have to face the consequences to what they have done . It does sound like the science teacher was pushed to breaking point and that the pupil concerned was no angel . It is sad to think that a career will be ended by this one moment of madness and the local council will probably be sued to a large sum of money .

    • Yes, I agree Anon 2 it is a lose/lose.

    • justice of the peace

      the pupil in question was no doubt one of those vile teacher haters that make life a misery for teachers, the papers say he was a shy and quiet lad but then so was ian brady and look what happened there.
      The teacher acted like a lunatic and left him in a pool of blood after a savage attack with a metal weight.
      At the end of the day the teacher needs to be punished with a long prison sentance, i dont think self defence would work when an adult whacks a kid on the head with a metal weight from behind and leaves him for dead lying in a pool of blood, he swore at me m-lord

  3. Tony Trainor

    You are stating that the teacher “snapped”. By whom is it “believed” that he “went ballistic” or that the pupil swore?

  4. CurlySue

    I remember our old Art teacher from 30 years ago threw a T square at ^^^^ and hit him straight on the head, for ‘putting water in the bloody oil paints’………..then he gave him a fiver to keep quiet……..

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  7. elijay

    I work in a school(not as a tacher TG).
    Believe me when I say kids push the boundaries
    and they can leave you feeling helpless
    detentions don’t frighten the pupils
    (tho someimes their patent/carer might)
    Sometimes it amazes me how those kids think their teachers aren’t clued in to technology today or they make an argumnt out of a molehill
    I’m eqully amazed there aren’t more incidences lik these
    My 15yo (who is rude agressive and conceited both at home and school) says the powers that be made a mistake when they went overboard on child protection laws because now kids have nothing within reason to be afraid of so now they don’t develop a healthy sense of respect.
    It can be said the responsibility lies both with the child and he teacher in this incident but I feel there is a lot to answer for where laws are made to protect the few but go to far so that they are exploited. I was an abused child long ago when there was no such hing as child protection laws. The trouble is the law went too far in the opposite direction and now many parents live in fear of their children’s threats or that they will be sent to jail for reasonable discipline towards their kids. Stress is rife working wih kids whether they be parent or teacher or otherwise… then when the lid blows it blows in such as bis tale portrays.
    Something needs to be done but can the damage be rectified or will it be a case of too little too late?

  8. Ann

    I feel the same way myself when I hear the way kids go on today and I put a lot f it down to bad parenting though.
    I feel for this teacher I really. do. Perhaps it will be a lesson to other students who may want to go ‘there”.
    Don’t!

  9. Gilad

    My support goes to teacher Peter Harvey. I remember when I was in high school there were always a number of kids who would play up and prevent the rest of us learning anything. This kid Jack and that girl who started everything would seem to have bitten off more than they could chew, but now Harvey’s career is in ruins. But who’s ultimately responsible for this? I blame the education system and teachers’ union who have allowed a breakdown in disciple in English schools.

  10. Lesley Chapman

    I also support Peter Harvey as the school authorities and the law has allowed these terrible children to take control of the class. The parents are also to blame for not disciplining their children.

    Jack Waterhouse has an evil looking face and perhaps he will grow up to be a sociopath and a criminal. He and the girl are old enough to be responsible for their actions and should be accountable. The teacher should not have given in to pressure but since I have never been in that position I may have done the same under the circumstances.

    Francis

    • justice of the peace

      you are telling me that if a kid was to wind you up then you would smash his skull in with a metal weight. no wonder this country is so screwed up, yes blame the parents, blame the schools, blame everyone except those that commit violent crimes against children, after all they are the ones who need protecting Not.
      that kid probably was a right little swine and needed a slap, and his parents should have done it a long time a go, but trying to kill someone because they wind you up is not an excuse for attempted murder.
      That teacher needs to spend a few years in prison, society needs protecting from violent offenders like that

      • Gilad

        I am sure none of us want to defend what Peter Harvey did, just understand it a little bit better. He had been on stress leave. Could it have been because of these very same kids? You say that the parents should have given Jack a slap, quite so, but often parents don’t know what their children actually get up to in school, and these days they are discouraged from doing it anyway. But when it comes to schools it is the teachers who are unarmed, they can’t say or do anything against a kid. There is an imbalance of power. Is that fair?

  11. Becky

    I too feel for the teacher here. He will be vilified no doubt and the lad will be made to look like an angel (what 14 year old boy is?). There is probably blame on both sides. The lad was probably winding up the teacher, whether through swearing or something else, and the teacher clearly was unfit to be working if under so much stress that he snapped liked that. What children need to understand is that teachers are only human too, and this poor man may have had to sustain god knows what from class after class of rude, undisciplined, disrespectful children. That’s going to grate on anyone. I was in school not that long ago (OK, a while, I’m 25 now) and some of the things my fellow pupils said and did to my teachers shocked me. I felt for them I really did. Once the assistant Rector of my Secondary School flipped his lid at a girl who threw an eraser at the back of his head and he told her to stand up and pushed her so hard she fell right over her desk. For others in the class it was very frghtening. I never forgot it. So the pupils in this class will probably not be quite so cocky in the future. No, the teacher should not have done what he did (though I doubt he was intentionally attempting to murder him). The boy was very unlikely to be 100% innocent and therefore should not have done what he did either. I hope it serves as a warning to pupils though, that teachers are people too, and can only be pushed so far. Although most won’t go quite this far! Children really need better discipline these days, children even decades ago would never have dreamed of treating teachers as they do now. As a parent I’d be ashamed. Children should be taught respect and appreciation for their educators. rant over! =)

    • Hi Becky, thanks for the rant and the points to ponder. I remember a girl in my High School who was relentlessly bullied and teased every minute of everyday. Teachers knew, students knew, parents knew and yet no one did a thing about it. One day she just lost it, came to school with a crowbar and swung it at anything or anyone that moved. She was carted away by police…victim to the very end. I don’t know if it is the school environment to blame? It is the only time in our lives when we are forced to mingle and socialize with a large group of people (not of out choosing) day in day out for years (like it or not). Does this release the primitive instincts in us ( like the jungle), that when we spot a weakness in others we go in for the kill ?

      • Becky

        Aww bless that poor girl. I’m not surprised she flipped. It’s maybe the same for this teacher. Kids are always pitied when they are bullied (rightly so) but a teacher is just expected to suck it up and get on with it. Kids can, and do, bully teachers. It seems this poor chap reached the end of his tether, similarly to the girl at your school. I think you have a point in that the school environment for some people is near unbearable, and for some I suppose how they deal with it is by having a pop at the teacher, because it makes them look cool or whatever. I was a gravely shy child and hated every second of school – but just shut up and got on with it, because, like you say there was simply no choice. Smaller class sizes etc may help some children who simply can’t function (sensibly) in a large class envrionment. One thing is certain, when things go this far, something needs to change. =)

      • Yes Becky home schooling is looking more and more appealing. Yet then who wants to be with their parents the whole day either!

  12. Ann

    Justice of the Peace – I support the teacher in taking some action against this kid. It’s what his parent should have done a very very long time ago. We are all well aware of right from wrong and this little shit knew what he was doing obviously so you reap what you sow. That doesn’t mean I want him dead but we all have our limits including this teacher. My dad was a hard working coal miner and as tough as nails especially on the four of us. He just had to look at us and we knew making the wrong move would be a very bad move. It made me respectful, courteous, hard working and the person I am today. Might I add I was never afraid of my dad. Do NOT blame this teacher he was obviously driven to distraction by this hooligan. I hope the other students learned from this tragedy but from what I see out there I feel like smashing them myself and I know quite a few adults who feel the same way. If I had to put up with it all day I think there would be a few more casualties laying in the aisles.
    My daughter is also and English teacher at a Catholic girls school and her husband a dentist who does childrens teeth. They have made up their minds at 33 and 37 not to have children.
    It’s just not worth the worry. I also support their decision. Kid’s these days are just one big headache.

    • Ah Ann, I can only agree so far as the child was more than likely a little shit that provoked the attack. But hitting him with a 2kg weight, a little excessive me thinks (thank goodness the Bunsen burner wasn’t on!). The teacher was obviously unfit to handle the rigors of teaching kids of this ilk and snapped. But I dare say if it was my child lying in a hospital bed I’d be angry. Geez, aren’t we glad we only have uncontrollable animals to look after! 🙂

  13. Ann

    I’m surprised the kid didn’t hit the teacher as I was attack d a few years ago on the train for daring to ask politely the if three fifteen years old would mind removing their feet so that I and two other people who had worked a nine hour day could sit down. I was asked if I’d like an F…ing kick in the head for my trouble Next thing her foot was coming at me so I grabbed her leg and dragged her out of the seat. Luckily like minded folk came over and helped out. They then asked one of the helpers to ” Show us your dick” It was gross and I ended with Shingles from stress and three weeks off work. Which I had to take as my annual leave. So there went my holidays. No they are all little shits and need to realise it’s just not acceptable. It was an old train with no emergency button or believe me I’d have pushed it. There is no getting away from some situations and you need to deal with it or be dealt with. Better still I wish I’d been able to push them out because I was really rattled. We shouldn’t have to tolerate this crap. This poor teacher probably couldn’t teach anyone anything because of this kid’s behavior. I hope they aren’t too tough on him because I completely sympathise with him
    Like I said we all have our limits. Give me Tillie any day to a rat bag kid.

    • Becky

      Ann, I see where you are coming from in a sense that there are a lot of children (mostly teenagers) out there who really do need to be put in their place, but there are children out there who are genuinely good and not all are “rat bags”. 90% of it is how they are raised. It is possible to raise children to become well adjusted, good hearted people. Too many parents these days expect children to raise themselves, teenagers are still children, and should be treated as such. Parents should not be afraid to discipline their children. Kids are allowed to believe they are adults far too young these days I think. If you take the time to teach your children good values then there’s no reason they should grow up being rat bags, as you put it. Children can be a delight and bring ao much to life if they have the blessing of a stable, supportive, disciplined yet happy upbringing.

  14. Ann

    BTW I carry pepper spray and a small weight that I use when walking, in my bag at all times. After three weeks home with Shingles I vowed they will never get off so lightly again. My bad!

    • Ann, what with Tillie, pepper spray and a small weight those damn swans don’t stand a chance! 🙂

    • Biz

      @ Ann.

      What are you talking about? How were your shingles related to this incident?

      It’s a form of herpes. Did you catch it from the girl’s foot?

      Ridiculous – and then you suggest you’d attack somebody – you are no better than any criminal.

      • Ann

        You can get Shingles from stress when you have an immune system problem, well known fact. I was admitted to hospital and I was in shock. Doctors agreed that that was probably what brought it on. So and let me tell you when you been through an attack you don’t forgive so easily. I’d have no hesitation in belting them back but harder if it ever happened again.

      • Ann, geez does this mean we will have to stop teasing you?

      • Ann

        Here you go Biz have a read, perhaps it may have been prudent to google before you post

        Causes of Shingles

        Shingles, or herpes zoster, are caused by the varicella-zoster virus — the same virus that causes chicken pox, and part of the herpes family that causes cold sores and genital herpes. Shingles manifest as a painful, blistering rash, usually covering on one side of your chest and back, but can spread to other parts of your body as well.

        You may be susceptible to shingles if you had chicken pox as a child and the virus is still dormant in your body. Older adults and adults with compromised immune systems are also susceptible to shingles. Other factors, such as stress, can also contribute to the onset of shingles.

  15. Ann

    Oh no she’s scared of the swans and scared of the lizards and actually is just scared of anything bigger than her so she makes a lot of noise. I should get a big dog to go walking with but Tills little legs go like the clappers. She looks like the Duracel Bunny.Lol I’ve just put her down for the night. She’s like a little baby.

  16. Ann

    Becky I agree with you and I have two who were a joy to raise and still a joy to this day. One is 31 the other 33. We invested a lot of time and effort into those two and in return we reap the benefits. I think those times unfortunately are gone. They didn’t get everything they wished for but had simple camping holidays where they fished and gathered wood for camp fires. We drove around Australia when they were 11 and 13 .Visiting Aboriginal reserves and playing with their children . Later on we had a couple of lovely overseas trips to see parts of Europe where my brother in law still lives then on to Yosemite and Mexico. TV was monitored even back then. Computers were available but no internet.
    Tonight at my Austrian friend’s home she had one of her 4 grandsons whose parents are both professionals in hospitals and the behavior was disgusting. The grandparents can’t get them under control either because they just won’t listen. They asked him to settle down as we were trying to enjoy a coffee and he’s right in your face with those little games yelling and interrupting everyone’s conversation. My friends asked me just for the heck of it to ask him to sit down with his games and see if he could be quiet for 5 minutes and his response was “No I can talk to my mum and dad when ever I want and I won’t stop and if you ask me to keep quiet I will get louder” He’s 5 years old!!! She has four and if they aren’t swimming it’s football and if it’s not football it’s cubs . Then it’s homework, bath and bed. These kids never slow down and eat regular meals. All this takes place as bedtime is 7.00pm so that THE PARENTS can have some peace and quiet. There is no real quality time spent here. Rush rush rush After school they are always on the go and they pick up some KFC on the way home. They must also achieve, be the best at this, top of that. This boy’s father was the most well mannered boy, quiet and studious but his own kids rule the roost. Once he got a smack on the bottom so daughter in law said,”Not acceptable, we don’t smack our children” Well they should because they are out of control. If the grandparents aren’t allowed to discipline him I suggested refusing to have him over. If they must have four boys who they don’t want disciplining, don’t ask for babysitters. They are “Ratbags”. I welcome my daughter’s decision and one that I hope she sticks to . I know quite a bit of it is bad parenting. There is something to be said for a smack on the bottom especially if and when a 5 year old is answering his grandparents back. Even if I thought Grannie was wrong she was right at least till I got out of there. Thankfully we had a wonderful relationship and she was my mentor. Much more than my own mother who by the way was also an English teacher. So coming from a no nonsense background certainly paved the way that enabled me to raise my kids to be respectful, considerate of the less fortunate and thank God for each and every day they are with their beautiful husband and wife.

    So to the mother of the boy who was bashed, take a long hard look at how you raised your son. Maybe you’re partly to blame for the predicament he’s in today.

    • Becky

      100% with you there Ann. Funny I was just talking to my husband the other day about the things children are exposed to these days, such as on TV, at the Cinema (when parents permit them to ignore the certifications) and on the internet. I think a lot of this is responsible for the way children are these days. When I was growing up (in the 80s/90s) we were never allowed to see anything inappropriate on the TV, computer or anywhere else. I’m frequently shocked these days at things that come on even before watershed. I don’t even watch the News if my children are in the room. They don’t spend their lives in front of the television or computer games either. I think Children have forgotten how to be children because of the masses of technology available to them. My daughters are 6, 3 and 2. Only my 6 year old gets out to play alone (and only nearby) but whenever the weather allows she plays out with her friends, and I take the little ones out (even in the garden) as much as possible. I believe kids flourish when allowed to use their imaginations and do what children should do – have fun! My eldest does her homework, and does well in school, but it is not the centre of life. I don’t believe in that. I would be horrified if my children behaved like the child you described, I simply wouldn’t tolerate it. I don’t smack my kids, but they do get a firm talking to if they are rude, naughty or anything similar. I often see parents letting their kids run amock and do whatever and I have to say I wonder why people who can’t be bothered disciplining them, or even spending quality time with them bother to have children. Those are the people who should be making the decision your daughter made. Not that I claim to be the perfect parent, if such a thing exists!

  17. Francis

    I agree with most of the comments that have been posted with the exception of Biz’s. (I posted a comment before and my nickname is Francis)
    Shingles can be brought on by stress even though it is a chicken pox or herpes virus and affects the nervous system. I had shingles many years ago around the waist and it was extremely painful.
    Biz’s flippant remarks are not funny. If this was suppose to rally support for the delinqent children it missed the mark.

  18. Ann

    I feel blessed that I lived in the era that I was brought up in. We weren’t hill billies either.I was raised in Scotland in the most beautiful setting imaginable so I missed that when my parents brought us here to give us a ” better life.” What better life” Ok I own my own home and I’m comfortable but I miss the closeness of family, your neighbours were a huge part of your life.
    We had picnics at Loch Doon We’d swim in the loch, fish in the loch and camp by the loch. Simple family get togethers. Nobody else around for miles.I can still smell the dampness of the ferns. Great times. We walked to school and walked home. We ate together and took time to discuss the events of the day. Homework was done then in turn we all had a bath as we had no shower. You could go to bed and around 9.00PM, rarely sleeping before 10.00PM as I shared a room with my twin. We’d play records quietly, The Beatles The Stones or The Kinks. You knew to keep it down or the old man would be up the stairs lol. We didn’t demand ‘stuff’ because we knew or parents didn’t have the money. We didn’t all have the latest bikes in fact we didn’t have any and I don’t feel I was hard done by. We had great winters in the snow and quite often a white Christmas. We made sure that Granny’s wood was chopped for kindling and that she wouldn’t run out or have to chop any herself. It was a great life. There is a lot to be said for keeping it simple.
    My kids used to love hearing me speak of “When I was your age” They still ask me about it to this day. Yep I have no regrets about my childood, it was magic.

    • Ann don’t tell me you have a twin! 🙂 . Two of you lol! Ah I had an ideal childhood too. Lived on a large property, played in the creek until I was 16. We didn’t have video games (though I do now!). On the weekends the TV was turned off. Walked to school, rode around the neighborhood and our house didn’t have a single lock on a door. The biggest trouble I ever got in was stealing some oranges from a neighbors tree. I spent sleepless nights worried they would tell my parents. Plus the kids bedrooms were attached to the main house by a walkway. From the age of 6 I was living a very free lifestyle.

    • Becky

      I may not have been brought up in the same Era as you Ann but I am born and raised in Scotland and can’t imagine a better place for my childhood, I live in Edinburgh to this day and spend weekends at Glencoe, Ardgour, Inverness etc with my girls all the time. =)

      • Ann

        Oh I loved Edinburgh. I used to go to Peebles, to West Linton as I studied violin and attended the Orchestral school for two weeks of each summer holidays mainly to solely concentrate on musical studies. I visited Edinburgh Castle and still remember a small chapel I think it was St Margaret’s from memory. I now see why you will relate totally to the kind of childhood I had and there was none better. If you ever get the chance to visit Loch Doon do so because when you come up over a little hill the whole Loch appears immediately before you and the scenery is memorable. The small town I grew up in was a coal mining village called Dalmellington. It’s now supposedly a tourist town showing weaver’s cottages, pubs galore, Kirk of the Covenant and many more very old properties. We were quite poor but what we lacked in material things we made up for by ever loving grans and grandpas around who doted on you from the day you were born. School holidays always entailed at least two weeks with granny.
        I still write to 6 school friends from when I was 5 and they all still live in the same houses. Amazing isn’t it? I miss Hogmanay, first footing and having a glass of the co-op wine my granny used to make. I miss her Madeira cake and shortbread. Her tattie scones were a treat and also her tattie soup. Lol I have very fond memories of a wonderful place and still consider myself blessed to have been so lucky. Christmas time in Scotland was beautiful. Traditional Christmas dinner and usually freezing cold outside. Some people ask why we don’t return. I married a Polish guy and have these two great kids who are ‘kangaroos ‘now so we will never leave them here. My husband is of much the same type of background but from Polish farming stock. All hard working people. I visited them and they are still poor but very happy with their ‘lot’. You see , if you are really happy you don’t need material things, quality time and a loving family is worth so much more.

  19. Ann

    Not at all but if you want to “KICK ME IN THE HEAD” I would have to retaliate..Worst still I’ll set Tillie on yo and she’ll lick you to death. My twin is also a girl 10 minutes younger than me 3 inches taller and identical until around 40 ish. Our teachers couldn’t tell us apart and when they said they could see she was taller when it came to the crunch they always forgot who was taller.ad
    Thank you for your input Francis When I Singles I met an old Scottish guy in hospital who also had them. He was in agony At one stage in is life he was a soldier and had been shot during WW11. I’ll never forget is comments’ “I’d rather be shot than have Shingles.” I’ve never felt pain like it. The part on my back where they actually came out first is still numb to this day. That attack changed my life forever unfortunately.

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